dilber
06-26 05:32 PM
I called the office and also got my better half to call. BTW I was locked out of the forum for a couple of weeks when after loggin in it was directing me to update my information. which I promptly did but it seems all the fields have meen made mandatory so it kept of directime me to put other information like when I applied for my I 485 which I haven't but I had to eventually put some garbage data. can some one look into this, I am sure there are a lot of other IV members being blocked out.
Thanks in Advance.
Thanks in Advance.
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saikatmandal
11-15 11:36 AM
Just saw the post on the Christmas Tree campaign: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15451
I think this is a great idea.
This is the holiday season and what better way to touch the chord of the Senators and House members but send one Christmas tree to each one of them. I am sure this would be a very emotional (in a positive way) appeal from IV for our cause.
Please post your thoughts.
I am for it.
I think this is a great idea.
This is the holiday season and what better way to touch the chord of the Senators and House members but send one Christmas tree to each one of them. I am sure this would be a very emotional (in a positive way) appeal from IV for our cause.
Please post your thoughts.
I am for it.
legalservice
10-08 04:40 PM
I have been laid off yesterday. My employment ends Dec.
My 180 days expire Jan. My company said they will not revoke the I-140.
So can anyone explain the steps that needs to be taken by company B after they transfer my h1, for time period Dec thru Jan.
Can I use ac21 afterwards? and
Can myself or my wife work on the EAD that will come to our home address?.
What else needs to be done by company B.
Will we just get our green card in email.
If a query comes should I prove that I'm employed with the former company or is it to sufficient to show employment with similar position alone?
In short if the former company does not revoke I-140 and I take care of the status thru H1b transfer for the 1 month to hit 180 days, will I need to reapply for the GC?
Please advice to what you think is right based on your best knowledge.
You should be OK as long as you don't get a query. If the query is for the I-140, just send them the information they ask for without explaining too much. If the RFE is for the I-485, hopefully, you'd be able to show that you worked 180 days for your sponsoring company. You may want to consult an immigration attorney on this one.
Disclaimer: My opinion is the result of my immigration experience and free consultations with immigration attorneys as provided through legalserviceplans.info; however, it does not constitute legal advice.
My 180 days expire Jan. My company said they will not revoke the I-140.
So can anyone explain the steps that needs to be taken by company B after they transfer my h1, for time period Dec thru Jan.
Can I use ac21 afterwards? and
Can myself or my wife work on the EAD that will come to our home address?.
What else needs to be done by company B.
Will we just get our green card in email.
If a query comes should I prove that I'm employed with the former company or is it to sufficient to show employment with similar position alone?
In short if the former company does not revoke I-140 and I take care of the status thru H1b transfer for the 1 month to hit 180 days, will I need to reapply for the GC?
Please advice to what you think is right based on your best knowledge.
You should be OK as long as you don't get a query. If the query is for the I-140, just send them the information they ask for without explaining too much. If the RFE is for the I-485, hopefully, you'd be able to show that you worked 180 days for your sponsoring company. You may want to consult an immigration attorney on this one.
Disclaimer: My opinion is the result of my immigration experience and free consultations with immigration attorneys as provided through legalserviceplans.info; however, it does not constitute legal advice.
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somegchuh
07-18 12:09 PM
bestia,
My point is enjoy your dinner, yes you can't worry about every hungry man but don't tell the hungry to enjoy the hunger! If we can't help them let's not rub it in their face. That's all I am saying. Anyway, my comment wasn't meant for you. You have shown understanding. I did see a few ppl earlier who literally asked ppl to "shut up and enjoy the ride". That really pi*** me off.
Come on, man. We are paying too much attention here. Look, there is always somebody stuck somewhere. People are stuck in BEC, in other contries. People are stuck in Afganistan, Bangalore, there are hungry people stuck in Africa. So? If there are hungry people, then I can't enjoy my dinner then? Someone always has to come and say "you enjoy and there are people stuck somewhere"? What's your reaction would be if someone come on your wedding and start complaining that he is impotent? - these are a little extreme examples, just to make a point.
Bigtime008,
Its really your judgement call if you believe whether IV is an organization that is helping BEC victims. I think the focus of this organization is retrogression relief. Nothing wrong or right about it.
IV core keeps telling us, BEC is always on their agenda. Really? If they did not even understand our pain and consider our frustration a disruption to people's happiness, how can we expect them to help? I still think IV is a great org, as it's the first such organization to speak out for legal immigrants. But when it comes to BEC victims, I did not see IV changed anything, or intend to change anything.
My point is enjoy your dinner, yes you can't worry about every hungry man but don't tell the hungry to enjoy the hunger! If we can't help them let's not rub it in their face. That's all I am saying. Anyway, my comment wasn't meant for you. You have shown understanding. I did see a few ppl earlier who literally asked ppl to "shut up and enjoy the ride". That really pi*** me off.
Come on, man. We are paying too much attention here. Look, there is always somebody stuck somewhere. People are stuck in BEC, in other contries. People are stuck in Afganistan, Bangalore, there are hungry people stuck in Africa. So? If there are hungry people, then I can't enjoy my dinner then? Someone always has to come and say "you enjoy and there are people stuck somewhere"? What's your reaction would be if someone come on your wedding and start complaining that he is impotent? - these are a little extreme examples, just to make a point.
Bigtime008,
Its really your judgement call if you believe whether IV is an organization that is helping BEC victims. I think the focus of this organization is retrogression relief. Nothing wrong or right about it.
IV core keeps telling us, BEC is always on their agenda. Really? If they did not even understand our pain and consider our frustration a disruption to people's happiness, how can we expect them to help? I still think IV is a great org, as it's the first such organization to speak out for legal immigrants. But when it comes to BEC victims, I did not see IV changed anything, or intend to change anything.
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gcretroiv
04-10 02:38 AM
I do not know why ssd213 is suggesting some front office jobs
and where as idlinginc is siggesting about some cut and paste jobs.
Are u guys kidding. This guy if from IIT MUmbai/ BTech computers.
It means his JEE rank shd have been below 200.
and where as idlinginc is siggesting about some cut and paste jobs.
Are u guys kidding. This guy if from IIT MUmbai/ BTech computers.
It means his JEE rank shd have been below 200.
needhelp!
02-12 05:47 PM
Technical difficulties to implement what you said. Just post on this thread, I will count for you.
It is very important to send a copy to IV, it will be used in making a case during talks with White House and DHS. Please see address in first post of this thread.
I have a dream: IV team carrying at least 10 big boxes full of letters to show during the meeting.
And users should able to give numbers in that.. not just radio options..
And i remember most of the people are sending letters only to President not a copy to IV.
How does sending letters to IV matters?
Between my side i sent letter to president and requested 10 of my friends to do so..
It is very important to send a copy to IV, it will be used in making a case during talks with White House and DHS. Please see address in first post of this thread.
I have a dream: IV team carrying at least 10 big boxes full of letters to show during the meeting.
And users should able to give numbers in that.. not just radio options..
And i remember most of the people are sending letters only to President not a copy to IV.
How does sending letters to IV matters?
Between my side i sent letter to president and requested 10 of my friends to do so..
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Almond
07-03 07:21 PM
here goes another one........
another?
another?
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Jaime
09-14 01:21 PM
Today! Today! Today!
Today you make up your mind to attend the rally!
We are your IV friends!!! Come join us in DC and change what's wrong! et's go together and fight for our hard-earned Green Cards!!!!
Today you make up your mind to attend the rally!
We are your IV friends!!! Come join us in DC and change what's wrong! et's go together and fight for our hard-earned Green Cards!!!!
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jchan
02-14 03:25 PM
dear hydboy77, after reading your posts, I agree with another member -- that you have totally different goals and concerns from the pre-application of AOS. It would be the best to start a new thread for your concerns, and leave this thread soles for AOS pre-application.
Getting rid of semilar\same job requirement is going to be as easy or as difficult as getting prefiling AOS.
Getting rid of same\semilar job is not semilar to getting to green card. If you are a software person then you can put a restriction that you have to work in a software related job, in the same way if you a civil engineer then you should work in the civil engineering field. But the way USCIS does same\semilar job is job code match, responsibilities match etc etc etc, the problem with this is it is a very grey area, it is almost like doing labor all over again. It has not become that bad yet but it will sooner or later, how many H1b rfe\denials did you know in the last 2 years, I bet there are more H1 denials in the last 2 months than the whole of last 4 years.
I understand you are not being selfish but why would anybody want to use EAD instead of H1 other than for getting rid of visa stamping purposes. The overwhelming majority of people are going to use EAD to switch jobs because of layoff . When people are transfering H1b because of layoffs they are getting rfe\denial notices, when you move from H1b to EAD because of layoff USCIS might hit you with the same\semilar job rfe (when you file ac21, when previous employer revokes H1 or I140), that is my point.
Getting rid of semilar\same job requirement is going to be as easy or as difficult as getting prefiling AOS.
Getting rid of same\semilar job is not semilar to getting to green card. If you are a software person then you can put a restriction that you have to work in a software related job, in the same way if you a civil engineer then you should work in the civil engineering field. But the way USCIS does same\semilar job is job code match, responsibilities match etc etc etc, the problem with this is it is a very grey area, it is almost like doing labor all over again. It has not become that bad yet but it will sooner or later, how many H1b rfe\denials did you know in the last 2 years, I bet there are more H1 denials in the last 2 months than the whole of last 4 years.
I understand you are not being selfish but why would anybody want to use EAD instead of H1 other than for getting rid of visa stamping purposes. The overwhelming majority of people are going to use EAD to switch jobs because of layoff . When people are transfering H1b because of layoffs they are getting rfe\denial notices, when you move from H1b to EAD because of layoff USCIS might hit you with the same\semilar job rfe (when you file ac21, when previous employer revokes H1 or I140), that is my point.
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delhiguy79
07-24 11:47 AM
It would help everyone else....Thanks.
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pakrish
06-25 06:38 PM
Called Rep Smit and left him a voicemail.....
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Ann Ruben
09-19 05:12 PM
No one on Capitol Hill could fail to be impressed by IV's exceptional organization and by the strength and the reasonableness of it's message. The NYTimes and Washington Post coverage confirms that IV is an organization with a major role to play in crafting future legislation. Well done all!!!
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needhelp!
02-10 01:12 AM
bestin.. letters campaign is endorsed by the core. 5 letters is a great start. Hope you will fully connect with your social network to help IV in this campaign.
I have decided to do things which are endorsed by the core in future.:)
BTB my letters have increased to 5 altogether.:D
Why do you try and find an excuse to do less? IV never said stop sending once we get to 10000... or 20000.... We should try and get AS MANY LETTERS AS POSSIBLE. Aim high my friends.
If your statement has been endorsed by the core that they want a million number then forget about this effort.I am feeling sad that i was part of this effort.I am not going to be part anymore unless i see some direct addressals from core to do it hence forth.
I have decided to do things which are endorsed by the core in future.:)
BTB my letters have increased to 5 altogether.:D
Why do you try and find an excuse to do less? IV never said stop sending once we get to 10000... or 20000.... We should try and get AS MANY LETTERS AS POSSIBLE. Aim high my friends.
If your statement has been endorsed by the core that they want a million number then forget about this effort.I am feeling sad that i was part of this effort.I am not going to be part anymore unless i see some direct addressals from core to do it hence forth.
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ilikekilo
07-18 05:54 PM
People were very happy with the last USCIS announcement but we all forgot about pain of people who are stuck in years of backlog. Though some of those unfortunate may have used harsh or improper language, but they had all the right to express their feelings. We all talk about Gandhian philosophy, but we need to be more tolerant. Before we ask to ban anyone from our forum, please try to put yourself in their shoes.
Our fight is far from over, we should all fight for for in-justice made to people who are trapped in the bureaucracy.
banning people is not the solution to the problem...live and let live...reasonbly
Our fight is far from over, we should all fight for for in-justice made to people who are trapped in the bureaucracy.
banning people is not the solution to the problem...live and let live...reasonbly
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LostInGCProcess
08-20 07:47 PM
Hi All,
I applied for my daughter's PIO card and sent all the documents as mentioned in the instructions sheet of the embassy website along with the self addressed stamped envelope. I heard from my other friends that even after you send everything in order, the embassy people would call and say that they did not receive the self addressed stamped envelop. It happened to three of my friends. I am the 4th one. They called today to tell that I did not send the envelope.
The funny part that happened with my friends is that, they all sent $20 and the package came in the very envelope they sent in the first place, that the embassy said they didn't receive.
Did anybody of you also had the same kind of experience or similar incident. If so, please do share.
Why are they doing like that? Do they really think we would do like that, trying to save on an self addressed envelope? It really bothered me for the fact that the lady from the consulate was utterly rude when talking. I am amazed how in the world, The Indian Government is still hiring such people? Of more then a billion population, is that the best person the government of India could find for that customer service post? Its a shame and I am ashamed that such dic*heads working and representing India?
Coming back to the issue...she said sternly, send $20.00 or send envelope stamped otherwise the application would not be processed.
Folks, please let me know where I can complain about this careless attitude of this monster woman. What steps can I take to make sure they don't do that again? I live in TN and I can't fly/drive to Washington DC. The questions is not about the money, but the way they are operating without any ethics is deplorable.
Hoping to hear all your valuable suggestions.
Thank you.
I applied for my daughter's PIO card and sent all the documents as mentioned in the instructions sheet of the embassy website along with the self addressed stamped envelope. I heard from my other friends that even after you send everything in order, the embassy people would call and say that they did not receive the self addressed stamped envelop. It happened to three of my friends. I am the 4th one. They called today to tell that I did not send the envelope.
The funny part that happened with my friends is that, they all sent $20 and the package came in the very envelope they sent in the first place, that the embassy said they didn't receive.
Did anybody of you also had the same kind of experience or similar incident. If so, please do share.
Why are they doing like that? Do they really think we would do like that, trying to save on an self addressed envelope? It really bothered me for the fact that the lady from the consulate was utterly rude when talking. I am amazed how in the world, The Indian Government is still hiring such people? Of more then a billion population, is that the best person the government of India could find for that customer service post? Its a shame and I am ashamed that such dic*heads working and representing India?
Coming back to the issue...she said sternly, send $20.00 or send envelope stamped otherwise the application would not be processed.
Folks, please let me know where I can complain about this careless attitude of this monster woman. What steps can I take to make sure they don't do that again? I live in TN and I can't fly/drive to Washington DC. The questions is not about the money, but the way they are operating without any ethics is deplorable.
Hoping to hear all your valuable suggestions.
Thank you.
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kshitijnt
04-17 01:08 AM
Guys I need to tell you my story:
Last year HP acquired my company called Knightsbridge. Fragomen is HPs law firm. Everything was going well until we had this monster called fragomen deal with us. My I-140 was approved way back in 2006 and was waiting for a Jun-2005 PD to be current. In July 07, when VB was released, Fragomen suddenly found a problem with labor certifications of around 100 people. They had access to labors from Dec-06. Only they know what they were doing between Dec-06 and Jul-07. In june 07, the PD had moved a bit forward to 2004. That time Fragomen contacted a few employees to file 485. As soon as Julu-07 bulletin came out they suddenly changed their tune. The word "travel required for job" was missing from the labor. Fragomen advised HP not to go ahead with 485. All our arguments were falling on deaf ears. All independent attorney opinions were disregarded and HP decided to take fragomens advise and not to file 485 but to restart labor.
After my new labor got approved, I asked fragomen to apply for consular processing in my case. They tried to escalate it to various levels in HP and pressurise me to file I485. Finally I told my boss, I want consular and also picked up a fight with HP employee not to interfere in my GC process. Because this employee always sings the tune of fragomen. After this, they have not shown any interest in filing my I-140.
After restarting labor Fragomens service is generally upto the mark, however; they are rude and uncompromising, in that they will not share a copy of labor certification or I-140 with employee. To some of my coworkers they will not even bother to respond to him for his 7th year H1 extension despite numerious queries. One of my friends also got better than expected service in that they filed his 485 just 2 days before his PD was moving from current to retrogressed. That is the only one case I have seen with positive outcome in my company. Some employees from my company suddenly went into silent mode after July-07. I suspect, they were given under the table deals to go ahead with old labor. However I can not prove that.
After seeing all this behaviour, I have come to conclusion that Fragomen will give you good service if they see good potential revenue from you in future. Like EADs , APs etc, multiple H1 extensions etc. I think they are very money minded company and feel that they proactively advise employers to go slow on immigration and they also advise employers on how slow immigration could benefit the employer in the long run. They are completely unethical in my personal opinion. When they were describing the situation to our managers in Jul07, they were very insensitive and were showing as if nothing else had happened.
No one was held responsible for this fiasco and all good hard working people were left to suffer. Due to this I have come to despise fragomen and I also despise some big employers who use them. Here is the list:
HP, Cisco, TCS, Deloitte, IBM, ...... add yours to the list.
Last year HP acquired my company called Knightsbridge. Fragomen is HPs law firm. Everything was going well until we had this monster called fragomen deal with us. My I-140 was approved way back in 2006 and was waiting for a Jun-2005 PD to be current. In July 07, when VB was released, Fragomen suddenly found a problem with labor certifications of around 100 people. They had access to labors from Dec-06. Only they know what they were doing between Dec-06 and Jul-07. In june 07, the PD had moved a bit forward to 2004. That time Fragomen contacted a few employees to file 485. As soon as Julu-07 bulletin came out they suddenly changed their tune. The word "travel required for job" was missing from the labor. Fragomen advised HP not to go ahead with 485. All our arguments were falling on deaf ears. All independent attorney opinions were disregarded and HP decided to take fragomens advise and not to file 485 but to restart labor.
After my new labor got approved, I asked fragomen to apply for consular processing in my case. They tried to escalate it to various levels in HP and pressurise me to file I485. Finally I told my boss, I want consular and also picked up a fight with HP employee not to interfere in my GC process. Because this employee always sings the tune of fragomen. After this, they have not shown any interest in filing my I-140.
After restarting labor Fragomens service is generally upto the mark, however; they are rude and uncompromising, in that they will not share a copy of labor certification or I-140 with employee. To some of my coworkers they will not even bother to respond to him for his 7th year H1 extension despite numerious queries. One of my friends also got better than expected service in that they filed his 485 just 2 days before his PD was moving from current to retrogressed. That is the only one case I have seen with positive outcome in my company. Some employees from my company suddenly went into silent mode after July-07. I suspect, they were given under the table deals to go ahead with old labor. However I can not prove that.
After seeing all this behaviour, I have come to conclusion that Fragomen will give you good service if they see good potential revenue from you in future. Like EADs , APs etc, multiple H1 extensions etc. I think they are very money minded company and feel that they proactively advise employers to go slow on immigration and they also advise employers on how slow immigration could benefit the employer in the long run. They are completely unethical in my personal opinion. When they were describing the situation to our managers in Jul07, they were very insensitive and were showing as if nothing else had happened.
No one was held responsible for this fiasco and all good hard working people were left to suffer. Due to this I have come to despise fragomen and I also despise some big employers who use them. Here is the list:
HP, Cisco, TCS, Deloitte, IBM, ...... add yours to the list.
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seahawks
09-22 02:20 AM
Genuine reason, my husband passed away last year and just could not afford to go, sorry
We are sorry to hear about your loss. Don't worry we represented you in the rally!
We are sorry to hear about your loss. Don't worry we represented you in the rally!
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gk_2000
03-27 12:51 AM
EB3 porting is a loophole like labor substitution.
when I came here 6 yrs ago, I had the option of applying in EB3 with a top 4 consulting US firm and I did not want to go that route. I waited until 2010 to apply in EB2.
Looks like People should come to the US as freshers or with 1-2 yrs experience > Apply in EB3 > Gain 5-6 yrs in experience > Port and BOOM, you have your GC.
How can people claim PD porting at a later date when they were not eligible on that specific date in the first place at that time? I know it's legal just like Labor Substitution.
Thats what i am saying. Agreed.
Reminded of Hannity show. Two idiots coming together and agreeing on stupid stuff. Again, you need to review your core concepts. It is NOT about "eligibility" in terms of a paper degree. Dont assume you know what was in the minds of the people that made the laws.
when I came here 6 yrs ago, I had the option of applying in EB3 with a top 4 consulting US firm and I did not want to go that route. I waited until 2010 to apply in EB2.
Looks like People should come to the US as freshers or with 1-2 yrs experience > Apply in EB3 > Gain 5-6 yrs in experience > Port and BOOM, you have your GC.
How can people claim PD porting at a later date when they were not eligible on that specific date in the first place at that time? I know it's legal just like Labor Substitution.
Thats what i am saying. Agreed.
Reminded of Hannity show. Two idiots coming together and agreeing on stupid stuff. Again, you need to review your core concepts. It is NOT about "eligibility" in terms of a paper degree. Dont assume you know what was in the minds of the people that made the laws.
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devang77
07-18 01:24 PM
[QUOTE=truthinspector;264968]Paskal,
On the same evening.....Seeta and Geeta are shopping for tamarind in a nearby aisle....for some reason (I cant be more vivid than this) they notice eachothers tatto's; one has EB3 and one has EB2..........CATFIGHT
QUOTE]
Chicks with tattoos..catfight!!!...doesnt sound too bad now does it...not to hijack the thread but the example had a lot of 'skin' in it for me to resist...
People that have been saying that IV supports this and not that please re-look at IVs agenda, nothing is hidden. The stated agenda is to try to make the employment based process better, the ENTIRE process. A piece meal approach does not work (proven in the past by legislation that tries to fix a portion of the system). The holistic approach may appear to be locally sub-optimal will be the best for the entire employment based community.
In the interest of full disclosure and at the risk of incurring more back lash I must state that I am in EB2-I category.
Cheers and hang in people...all of us are in this together..
On the same evening.....Seeta and Geeta are shopping for tamarind in a nearby aisle....for some reason (I cant be more vivid than this) they notice eachothers tatto's; one has EB3 and one has EB2..........CATFIGHT
QUOTE]
Chicks with tattoos..catfight!!!...doesnt sound too bad now does it...not to hijack the thread but the example had a lot of 'skin' in it for me to resist...
People that have been saying that IV supports this and not that please re-look at IVs agenda, nothing is hidden. The stated agenda is to try to make the employment based process better, the ENTIRE process. A piece meal approach does not work (proven in the past by legislation that tries to fix a portion of the system). The holistic approach may appear to be locally sub-optimal will be the best for the entire employment based community.
In the interest of full disclosure and at the risk of incurring more back lash I must state that I am in EB2-I category.
Cheers and hang in people...all of us are in this together..
walking_dude
09-19 06:07 PM
Guys,
....
I guess (just by reading posts on IV) one point which came out pretty clearly was that IV has good support in some regions and really very little support in some others (support as in visible support, where people are willing to show up for rallies, contribute to IV�s efforts etc), I guess this pretty much means that we need to focus on building the regional chapters of IV, like have strong/formal leadership and goals of each of the chapters.
...
Agree with you 100%. Instead of 'forming' state chapters in the last moment, they need to be established, nourished, strengthened and developed over a period of time. A grassroots movement needs strong roots in all regions.
I was also thinking that we can possibly learn a lot from the protests by undocumented immigrants. They had record turnouts in their rallies and most of their people stayed away from work to take part in the efforts when ever there was a call for the same.
With all due respect, it was a disaster. They ended up scaring Americans - by holding Flags of thier countries, holding US flag upside-down or disrespecting US flag in other ways. This provided fodder to anti-immigrants to scare Americans of an 'invasion' of law-breaking aliens.
We need to learn lessons from them, in not committing their mistakes
Some of the advantages of having simultaneous local rallies is that
1) No travel expenses � (So that we can spend more money on media and lobbying than travel expenses)
There was a Free Bus from NY/NJ. Yet, how many came?
2) No need to time spent on travel � ( Better turnouts)
How many people from DC participated?
3) Comfort � every one can just go to a local rally point (Better turnouts)
Those seeking 'comfort', will choose it at home. What better comfort than to sleep on a couch and watch TV?
4) Stronger regional chapters � (work at grass root levels)
If wishes were horses...
As of now, idea doesn't look good. 10 people marching in Detroit, 20 in Minneapolis, 40 in New York, 100 in California - will it even be a rally, in the true sense?
....
I guess (just by reading posts on IV) one point which came out pretty clearly was that IV has good support in some regions and really very little support in some others (support as in visible support, where people are willing to show up for rallies, contribute to IV�s efforts etc), I guess this pretty much means that we need to focus on building the regional chapters of IV, like have strong/formal leadership and goals of each of the chapters.
...
Agree with you 100%. Instead of 'forming' state chapters in the last moment, they need to be established, nourished, strengthened and developed over a period of time. A grassroots movement needs strong roots in all regions.
I was also thinking that we can possibly learn a lot from the protests by undocumented immigrants. They had record turnouts in their rallies and most of their people stayed away from work to take part in the efforts when ever there was a call for the same.
With all due respect, it was a disaster. They ended up scaring Americans - by holding Flags of thier countries, holding US flag upside-down or disrespecting US flag in other ways. This provided fodder to anti-immigrants to scare Americans of an 'invasion' of law-breaking aliens.
We need to learn lessons from them, in not committing their mistakes
Some of the advantages of having simultaneous local rallies is that
1) No travel expenses � (So that we can spend more money on media and lobbying than travel expenses)
There was a Free Bus from NY/NJ. Yet, how many came?
2) No need to time spent on travel � ( Better turnouts)
How many people from DC participated?
3) Comfort � every one can just go to a local rally point (Better turnouts)
Those seeking 'comfort', will choose it at home. What better comfort than to sleep on a couch and watch TV?
4) Stronger regional chapters � (work at grass root levels)
If wishes were horses...
As of now, idea doesn't look good. 10 people marching in Detroit, 20 in Minneapolis, 40 in New York, 100 in California - will it even be a rally, in the true sense?
eb3_nepa
04-27 10:18 PM
Sent in $100 by check. Estimated arrival date is 05/05 but i am sure it will get there b4 that.
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